going thru a friends posts, and a topic caught my eye. She abhors abortion and equates it to murder.

opinions?

Then I will cut and paste what i posted...

shit I will post it now.

Hope I dont offend..



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Whine, bitch, moan. Goodness gracious. I never have and never will have any sympathy for a woman who chooses to abort a child. Your life is in danger, then that's what was meant to be. It's never "responsible" to have an abortion. I don't care who you are, what could happen, if there something wrong with the baby, you were raped, the baby is a product of incest ... you are a murderer regardless. You committed murder the moment you terminated the pregnancy. Yeah, it's your choice, but it's also your damnation.



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stupify_me
2005-07-24 02:53 (link)
I completely agree in all counts. Although in the situation when your own life is on the line i won't conodne doing it but I wouldn't be against it either.
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smileyme
2005-07-24 03:44 (link)
I think everything happens for a reason. If my life is lost because of a pregnancy, then my life was lost. I would rather lose mine than take another...
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tezyeh
2005-07-24 02:54 (link)
what do you class as a 'child' in the case of abortions?
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tezyeh
2005-07-24 02:55 (link)
(out of curiosity)
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smileyme
2005-07-24 03:02 (link)
The moment of conception.

Not too sure about the morning after pill because a sperm can live in a woman for up to a week, so the morning after ... ehh not sure.
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chippa
2005-07-24 03:10 (link)
Well said. H is an OB/GYN and she said that Medically Necessary abortions are almost always hypothetical situations-- that she knows no OB/GYN who has ever encountered a situation in which an abortion is needed.
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smileyme
2005-07-24 03:41 (link)
I'm glad you commented that. I've always wondered.
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missbabyblue
2005-07-24 03:15 (link)
Abortion as birth control: absolutely wrong.
Abortion in the case of rape/incest: undecided.
Abortion in the case of mother's health (and I mean MAJOR problems, like death): warranted.

I believe life starts at conception as well. As soon as that sperm and egg join, you can no longer say "this is part of a man" and "this is part of a woman". They are a third thing, with its own DNA, and I believe 100% that 'thing' is a live, third-party entity. Tough shit if it lives in the woman's womb - that doesn't give you the right to kill it because it's not convenient for you.

The rape/incest thing - I am undecided on this because, on one hand, I am a religious/spiritual person who believes everything happens for a reason, and a child could be the only beautiful thing that comes out of a really, really bad experience. But, I can't in good conscience look at a woman (or child, for that matter) who has been the vicitim of a rape or forced incest, and tell her she now has to have a baby, too. That rape/incest victim could be a 12 year old girl, who is reproductively capable, and on top of her rape, I don't know that a legal obligation to now be a pre-teen mother is okay.

Mother's health - I definitely believe a woman has the right to choose in this situation, and here's why: I believe in gun ownership, and anyone (man or woman) has the right to self-defense. If someone approaches me and I have reason to seriously believe they're going to kill me, I have a right to kill them first. I may not want to, and I would hope there's another way to do things, but I have a right to defend myself. Now, say that someone is my teenage son, who somehow turned out really, really bad. I would never want to hurt my child, no matter what, but legally I have a right in that situation to determine if I'm going to act in self-defense and kill him, or allow him to kill me. This is my justification for mother's-health abortion - self-defense. A woman has the right to save her own life, even if it is vs. her own child, born or unborn.

That's my $.02! :) And by the way - it always makes me happy to hear other young women take a very firm anti-abortion stance. Our generation needs more of us to stand up and say "If I'm going to have sex, I'm going to accept the consequences, not kill my babies" - so thanks, one young woman to another!! :)
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smileyme
2005-07-24 03:43 (link)
:)

Sometimes the "I did it b/c I was going to die" is unexcusable as well. Some of these women KNOW that if they have a child their chances of dying are high, but continue to have unprotected sex. I think that's even worse ...

It's hard to find a woman our age that is willing to say that it's wrong.
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fieldofshells
2005-07-24 03:35 (link)
I have to say that I agree with your sentiment, with minor caveats.

There are rare occasions that merit an exception.

for instance:

the mother's life is in grave and immediate danger and aborting is the ONLY way to SIGNIFICANTLY improve her chances of survival and the baby is not viable.

a rare condition called hydrocephally causes the fetus' head to swell enormously. in this condition there is usually only a brain stem and no chance of survival for the baby, but the mother would be put at much greater risk if she carried and delivered.

then, of course, there's always the ectopic pregnancy, which is, technically speaking, an abortion.

i'm OK personally with preventing pregnancy, including preventing implantation.

otherwise i completely agree.

but i really feel sorry for many of the unsuspecting mothers who are lied to by "big abortion", which just wants to profit off irresponsible or just plain scared women and girls. i see many of them more as victims of deceit, although some of them certainly fit the "murderer" monicker. I actually feel sorry for a great lot of them. now the "doctors" and others are another story, in my book.
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smileyme
2005-07-24 03:41 (link)
Don't most babies die before they can even be carried to term with the head swelling thing?

Being naive isn't a very good excuse in my opinion. Many of the abortion advocates that I've come across that have had abortions KNEW exactly what they were doing.

The doctors ... yeah, they're definitely another story.
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heavenly_sin
2005-07-24 04:37 (link)
hydro babies die either in utero or right after birth. And IMHO giving birth to that.... not something I would do. Thats just me.
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fieldofshells
2005-07-24 04:38 (link)
yes, most hydrocephally babies die before birth, but their heads don't shrink when they do. and 99.9999999999999999999% of the rest of them die within a couple of weeks of birth.

naivety.hmmmm. yeah, that's part of it, but then so is not having parents that teach you right from wrong. it's fairly easy to be judgemental, even harshly so, when we're raised in a "family" where we are taught right and wrong; but not everyone has a "family" and certainly not everyone is taught right and wrong. i'm not condoning it, and most people know in their heart of hearts it's wrong anyway, but i have to have a bit of pity for someone who's been lied to - perhaps for her whole life - who's scared as hell and thinks her life is over. i can understand her feelings. i can understand she's been deceived. i can have pity, compassion. let he who is without sin, ya know? but yeah, i'd hope they could learn and go and sin no more instead of becoming hardened, bitter, and defiant.

now, the money changers (doctors, planned parenthood, etc;....) just piss me off.
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wolfp10
2005-07-24 03:45 (link)
I'm glad to see another women, besides my girlfriend, who doesn't believe in abortion.

Just goes to show NOW is yet just another interest group, nothing more.
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smileyme
2005-07-24 03:54 (link)
:)

Doesn't happen too often, but it seems as if when we get older we realize that life is precious. I work in for a foster care advocacy group I guess you could call it. We run foster care centers and homes. I see all of these beautiful children and I just can't help but think life is so precious and beautiful.

missbabyblue has the same feelings. :) She's my age also!

NOW is terrible. It's the destruction of our generation.
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laughin
2005-07-24 04:02 (link)
Just out of curiosity, what brought this on?

I medically had an abortion. What do I mean by that?

Well, in April 2003, I was pregnant. Turned out to be an ectopic pregnancy. So I had a D & C. That did not take, so I had a Methotrexate Shot. I never thought it would be labeled an "abortion," but that is how it was labeled on my medical bill. I had already been in the psych hospital after this loss and to read that upset me tremendously. But without the shot, I could have died or become infertile.

But God works in His own way. I am now blessed with an amazing daughter.
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smileyme
2005-07-24 04:13 (link)
Personally, I don't think that's an abortion. My cousin had the same thing in September ... it really tore her up.

There's a big difference between you having a ectopic pregnancy and a woman having an abortion. It would be impossible for the pregnancy to go to full term ... the zygote (at that stage it's a zygote right?) isn't in the womb. Really, I think it's completely different.

The women I'm talking about are those who say having a child is going to kill them (the child is able to develop fully), especially those who know before they get pregnant.
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smileyme
2005-07-24 04:15 (link)
By the way, I'm not just saying that to make you feel better. It's women, such as yourself, that really want the child and something terrible like this happens. I don't see how that can even be construed as an abortion...
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heavenly_sin
2005-07-24 04:47 (link)
I am Pro Choice, not really pro abortion. Not because I belive in it for myself, or for my family, but because I think that government has no place making medical decions about my womb (or lack there of). I used to think quite differently than I currently do. And I have plenty of life experience to back it up.

I used to feel much like you. However events that were not in my control happend 8 years ago, on my birthday nontheless, and I was left with a decison to make. It is a decison that I am happy to say that I currently love and cherish. BUT, that said, I am so glad that I had a choice to make. In some places I would not. And for that, I am greatful for RvW.

What I hate is being lumped into a category because I am pro choice. I know that life is not sentinet at conception (but at birth or at a time when birth is both possible and wanted {like with Laci Peterson} ), and I have no religious views on the situation, but I also do not belive in abortion as a means of birth control. It is however there for a reason, like in the cases of a D&C, which is something else that I had to endure at 5 months gestation. And lets face it, we dont have any right to make a woman carry to term what she views as an invader into her own body. Contraception fails. Situations vary.

so yah.. I understand and can empathize with your view, I do not however, agree. It's not murder in my or the law's book.

Hope I didnt offend.
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